Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I thought i saw that style of adjuster in the pictures... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Joey Mack said: I thought i saw that style of adjuster in the pictures... It might be. I couldn't see it too good in the vid Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 it was hard to see! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just be happy we aren't dealing with a Mack CL50 with the clutch brake on the countershaft and the adjustment shims 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Yeah , gotcha.. i missed a few things myself. We try to give good diagnostics here. I find at times my fingers move faster then my mind. I havent been under a truck in 3 years. And its starting to show.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I love how easy it was to crank the clutch with a short screwdriver.. in the video. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Thanks JC Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 Just now, Joey Mack said: Thanks JC NP, lots of steps get skipped in the real world. Bell housings only get dial indicated when they are replaced with a new or used one. I can just imagine if I would have shut a truck down over a couple thousands wear on the bell housing. Intermediate plate is used to align the lugs, no special alignment tool. and most times the lugs don't get removed unless you are resurfacing the flywheel. Most times when I was doing a clutch, it was an overnight deal with the truck having to work in the morning 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said: NP, lots of steps get skipped in the real world. Bell housings only get dial indicated when they are replaced with a new or used one. I can just imagine if I would have shut a truck down over a couple thousands wear on the bell housing. Intermediate plate is used to align the lugs, no special alignment tool. and most times the lugs don't get removed unless you are resurfacing the flywheel. Most times when I was doing a clutch, it was an overnight deal with the truck having to work in the morning Think you could still do a dump truck in under 8 hours ? I don't believe I could pull it off anymore. Used to be the norm. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 hrs.?? With a turned flywheel and rear main seal,pto, in an R model ??? Bullshit.!!! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 No rear main. Flywheel in stock already resurfaced. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Lots of wet rags too 😂 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Dude, that would be a hustle if i ever saw one.. gid bless you Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Did an R Model in 6 hours once. Guy was a cheapskate. Just replaced the clutch. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I bet the clutch wouldnt release properly, the flywheel was likely a bowl rather than flat.. i get it, i never liked chop jobs, only did a few, they suck, work hard, it fails work hard again.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Here's a handy little thing I welded up from a grade 8 half inch bolt and an old push in typ adjuster. Bolt it on the cover in place of the push in adjuster and then you can use something 3/4" to get the ring moving sometimes when they're putting up a fight. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's time for a new clutch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: I bet the clutch wouldnt release properly, the flywheel was likely a bowl rather than flat.. i get it, i never liked chop jobs, only did a few, they suck, work hard, it fails work hard again.. Eh....he was happy (lol) My own, I had everything ( I was aware of) in stock. Flywheel, cluthch kit for the Fullers, OTC jack. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 You were ready.. perfect.. i have had to work on so much junk that it could take a whole shift to get it apart due to rust on top if what it takes to do an R or DM . I take the right door of DM's so i can fit in there to get the seat and floor pan out.. thats at leaste 90 minutes.. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 When I was around 20, I used to get stuck doing all that. Got that I could cut motor mounts out and usually not burn anything. Lot's of wet rags.... then you'd get to crawl under and lay in all that (lol) At the time ??? I didn't know any better. I swapped a Fuller 9 speed in one of my CHs one night (no clutch) in 5 hours. It was a reman that had an issue with the synchro. Started when it got in @4 and was test driving @ 9. I ain't got it in me anymore. The CHs were a piece of cake after fight'n old Rs in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 hours ago, Mark T said: Here's a handy little thing I welded up from a grade 8 half inch bolt and an old push in typ adjuster. Bolt it on the cover in place of the push in adjuster and then you can use something 3/4" to get the ring moving sometimes when they're putting up a fight. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's time for a new clutch. This is an absolute! last resort! You can also take the adjuster out and leave the brakes applied and quickly dump the clutch in and out ! If it doesn’t move with this method you will be doing a clutch! You don’t want to be doing this inside the shop! I have managed to get them to move with this method but it’s a bit vicious! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenbjackson Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) i do not see a center tube that is connected to the throwout bearing and pressure plate fingers? i just see the naked input shaft.........or im missing something???? i dont see this release bearing pulling the clutch open Edited February 1 by glenbjackson ahh called a relaese sleeve, dont see how it was installed without it yikes!! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 You are seeing correct there is no tube there is a bushing on the inside of the bearing! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenbjackson Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) there is supposed to be a tube(release sleeve[with bushings inside]) connecting to release bearing to the pressure springs! so looks like simple replace clutch cover/release bearing Edited February 1 by glenbjackson Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 16 hours ago, Mark T said: Think you could still do a dump truck in under 8 hours ? I don't believe I could pull it off anymore. Used to be the norm. I think my fastest was about 5 hours. No stuck bolts in the mounts. I'm talking R U DM Mack. F model or something much faster. Other makes without mounts on the trans, much faster. I used to keep a spline saver clutch in stock for those midnight clutch replacements. Can use the spline saver if the spline is worn or good. Hell, I used to do an inchassis on a ENDT675 or 676 in a day if I already had a set of heads done. Most times I did have a set of heads done, nozzles with new tips, and connecting rods with new bushings. Did that stuff when things were slow. Keep in mind I'm talking about no crank damage, no fitting oversized liners etc Now at almost 64, yeah good luck. I've got torn tendons in my leg.. I can't even stand up on a frame rail. Two years ago I was climbing down off of a machine and the last step down was like 2 feet. My foot caught the base of a pump and I felt a pop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/page/2/#findComment-568315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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