The Vintage Machinist Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Debating whether or not to switch out the 10.00 22s for 11r 24.5s on my 54 H-63. Of course I would need tubeless wheels. My tires now are shot. What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Definitely alot easier to get, and probably alot cheaper! terry 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago I'd switch them. I swapped both of my trucks, B42 with 20" spokes to 22.5 tubeless rims. B73, I debated long about keeping the original 22" spokes or swapping to Budd hubs. I wanted the look of the Budds and the aluminum rims. Either way it was going to get tubeless 24.5"s. The swap was worth it for the variety and accessibility of tires if I ever had an issue on the road and needed a tire, which has never occurred, thankfully. And they're radials, which wear and ride better. If you drive it or use it I'd make the swap. Unless it's a really great original truck and your desire is to remain factory original. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago You used to be able to get bias tubeless, bias and radial are ply construction, tube or tubeless is another matter.You can and I do have tube type radials, and I have a bias tubeless. 22" is more of a problem than either bias, radial tube. the 22" size is hard to find, for that reason alone I would say go 24.4 tubeless. 20" used to be a lot easier to find, and a lot more choices when you did find them. I guess they are getting harder now. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Best of luck I’m going thru the same thing right now … bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZB755V8 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago If there are 22" bias or radial tube tires available anywhere I am interested. I have 22" Alcoa's split rims on a LTL. My tires are OK for short runs and shows but I would never take a trip or have any weight on them now. These tires where hard to get 20 years ago and had to be ordered from India. Cheat is the brand. I put 24.5s on another truck as good 22" Alcoa's are nonexistent today as well as the tube tires. Then try and find a tire shop that will work on split rims. So 22.5 or 24.5 is your only option now. Also a great point by, mattb73lt, if you get a flat or need a tube tire no one will have anything but 22.5 or 24.5 tubeless radials in a shop anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vintage Machinist Posted 19 hours ago Author Share Posted 19 hours ago Thanks to all that replied so far. My concern is the availability as I will be driving this from coast to coast occasionally pulling a drop deck trailer. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago No doubt that 24.5's will be a whole lot easier to find. I always carried a spare tire mounted on a rims, so no real problems, if you don't then you want easily available. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Quick question are tubeless rims available to replace 24in split rim Dayton spokes? Geoff Weeks and others already know the trouble Im having getting tube type tyres and I think the tubeless route is the only option as changing to hub pilot wheels is just too expensive. Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mattb73lt Posted 19 hours ago Popular Post Share Posted 19 hours ago I don't know if there is a replacement for 24" rims/spokes, Ive never seen any and haven't heard of anything like that. 24" Rubber is difficult to find for sure. If there was a replacement, I would guess it would be a 26.5", reasoning that 20"= 22.5" and 22"= 24.5". I've heard of Chinese 24" rubber people have bought, but don't recall a source for them? 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1961H67 Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago I may be wrong but I think I remember seeing some trucks in the Keystone Truck & Tractor Museum a couple months ago with 24 “ inch wheels. Tube type. But can’t ever remember seeing a 26.5 tubeless . If anyone knows what is still available it would be the staff at Keystone . 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 10 hours ago, 1961H67 said: I may be wrong but I think I remember seeing some trucks in the Keystone Truck & Tractor Museum a couple months ago with 24 “ inch wheels. Tube type. But can’t ever remember seeing a 26.5 tubeless . If anyone knows what is still available it would be the staff at Keystone . We've been over this, time and time again. There is no "tubeless" 24" truck tire. There is no tubeless replacement for 24" tube type tires. There are Mfg in the far east that make tube type 24" tires. Cruiseliners tire shop is mistaken, they don't want to admit it, but if you look at the MFG tire catalog for the tire they claim to be "tubeless" RIGHT IN THE CATALOG it is listed as a TT or TUBE TYPE! I'm sorry to get so adamant about it, but it is right there in black and white from the mfg of the tires. To my knowledge, there isn't nor has there ever been a tubeless 24" truck tire in the sizes we are talking about The reason tubeless tire are "half sizes" I.E. 22.5" and 24.5" is because there has to be a "gutter" or drop center in the rim base so the tire can be fitted over the one piece rim. Without that drop center it would be impossible to mount a tire, you can not "stretch" the tire over the rim, there must be a smaller section of the rim base to provide the "slack" , so the edge of the bead can be worked over the edge of the rim.That make the center of the rim smaller or the same size at the center as the tube type it replaces. so a 22.5 rim measures the same at the drop center as a 20"flat based rim, same for the other tubeless replacements. a 15" TT trailer tire can be replaced by a 17.5" tubeless, a 20" TT tire can be replaced by a 22.5 tubeless, and a 22" TT truck tire can be replaced by a 24.5. THERE IS NO 26.5" tire to replace a 24"TT So for the last time, if you want to replace 22" and I can see why, then 24.5 is the answer if you want to replace 24" then you need to get another 24" and use a tube! For the people with 24" rubber, I am no longer going to answer, I have stated what I know time and time again, and the question keeps coming up with hand wringing and hopes for a unicorn that doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Many thanks for that Geoff I know I may have misunderstood you with reguard to the tyre sizes.It seems I will have to go with hub pilot hubs and wheels as 24in tube type tyres are an absolute no no over here.It seems no one will import a small batch and no one is willing to work with split rims.Again many thanks for your help on this issue... Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Understand, when you do, you will loose road speed as well, 24" rubber is larger in diameter and has fewer Revs per Mile than 24.5" rubber. I thought you said a crane operator had some on their equipment? Here 24" is scarce but obtainable. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago That was my point for the 24" tires, that all there is, 24" tube types. I've never seen a tubeless 24" tire. Obviously 26.5" don't exist and there's no rim to replace the split rims. Hard to believe they are so hard, if now nearly impossible to source considering all the trucks that ran them. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 6 minutes ago, mattb73lt said: That was my point for the 24" tires, that all there is, 24" tube types. I've never seen a tubeless 24" tire. Obviously 26.5" don't exist and there's no rim to replace the split rims. Hard to believe they are so hard, if now nearly impossible to source considering all the trucks that ran them. If your going to own a "classic" then you are going to have to get good at scrounging/finding stuff that that parts houses say "it doesn't exist" or they don't make that any more. A decade or so ago, finding 8.25x 20" tires was easy, bias or radial no problem. Now there are a few mfg that make that size, but they are available. If you want to find a unicorn, try finding a 8.5x 20! I have some and have never even found the spec's let alone a mfg that still make them. 24"rubber has many advantages, that made them popular in other parts of the world, they carry more weight (something that our axle weight limits can't generally take advantage of) they have fewer rev/mile which makes them heat up less and age slowly, and they allow room for bigger brakes than the smaller sizes. A few years ago I saw a new side dump trailer on its way from the Mfg to the 1st owner. I had hub pilot 24" tube types on the trailer. I assume it was going to be use for off road work at a mine or some kind. They are still out there. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago You're right, there are some sizes that are very hard to source. From trucks to cars, some older (read obsolete) sizes are extremely difficult to locate and when found are of poor quality if you intend to drive on them. I've sourced a lot of tires over the years from Coker Tire as they specialize in antique vehicles. Years ago I bought a '40 Ford Deluxe Fordor. A mostly original car that came with almost new repro Ford script blackwall tires. While correct for the car, they wore horribly and didn't handle the rain well. I doubt I put 10,000 miles on them before they were worn out. Coker did have some European tube type radials that fit the 6.00X16" rims and those are far superior in wear and handling. I'm still surprised that no major US tire manufacturer offers a 24" tire and we have to look offshore for a source. While low volume, there's still a lot of vehicles out there on them. Has the industry moved so far away from them, is everything from the last 30+ years resting on 24.5" rubber? 24" always seemed the heaviest of applications that I ever saw and for the reasons you stated. It just doesn't seem that a 24.5" tire could compete with a 24" in extreme service. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago I wound up buying 2 recaps from tire recappers of Nashville they were 110 a tire 120 for shipping they might have your size atleast you would have the rears covered but coast to coast you might not want caps but the cheapest 1000-20 I could find were 480 a piece with shipping plus tax good luck Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
67RModel Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Yes tube type is not synonymous with bias ply. Tube type tires can be bias or radial. My guess is all tubeless tires at this point are radials. 24" tube type are still readily available but not common. As are 22" tube type but even less common. I just posed some links the other day to several 22" tube type tires that are available. MRF Chinese brand. Bridgestone still makes a 12.00-24 tube type radial. Its the model L317. its a beefy drive lug. Close to $1000 each. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said: Understand, when you do, you will loose road speed as well, 24" rubber is larger in diameter and has fewer Revs per Mile than 24.5" rubber. I thought you said a crane operator had some on their equipment? Here 24" is scarce but obtainable. Yes the crane company has 24.5s on hub pilot rims.I'll keep looking.Guess Ireland is too small a market to stock odd tyres.Yip you do have to get good at sniffing out the unobtainable!!!.I understand the loss of speed and load carrying ability but this is a pure hobby truck,milage will be small.Thanks again. Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 24 inch tires are getting very hard to find. a friend has been slowly converting his 8 trucks from 12-24 tires to 11/24.5. tires are 1/4 the price. he has 6 done already and is collecting parts to finish the other 2. he still has 8 new 12-24 front runners and 16 or 20 12-24 recaps but they will be sold when he gets the other trucks converted. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, cruiseliner64 said: Yes the crane company has 24.5s on hub pilot rims.I'll keep looking.Guess Ireland is too small a market to stock odd tyres.Yip you do have to get good at sniffing out the unobtainable!!!.I understand the loss of speed and load carrying ability but this is a pure hobby truck,milage will be small.Thanks again. Paul Can't you buy them elsewhere and have them shipped? https://www.ebay.com/itm/276321827721?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-166974-028196-7&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=276321827721&targetid=2274951440814&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9007325&poi=&campaignid=22108121279&mkgroupid=181749026548&rlsatarget=pla-2274951440814&abcId=10162159&merchantid=114649931&geoid=9007325&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAw5W-BhAhEiwApv4goG8JX_AQeMcpNbWrvPGG_BBzi8xxBffNh0EYLw70MK4JBq8ylN8h8hoCQS0QAvD_BwE 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago https://www.tires-easy.com/12.00-24/ironman-tires/i-301/tirecode/90826?srsltid=AfmBOop8arYesUtydabl_T8L3vV3WKOs8GOLF-MoJx74tJbOsbbHldPuyAc 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, mattb73lt said: . It just doesn't seem that a 24.5" tire could compete with a 24" in extreme service. It can't in my book!! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75243-bias-ply-or-tubeless/#findComment-570711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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