Gump Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I have my eye on a 2001 Vision with a 460 and 13 speed Eaton. Under 440k original miles, and appears to be in immaculate condition. More like the life of a show truck than work horse. Do these have a solid reputation for reliability? I know the E7 Etech isn’t a fan favorite, but it must be better than the modern emissions trucks. What should I be looking for specific to a Mack? I’d be using it to do regional flatbed work, rarely over 80k lbs in the Rockies. My second current option is get a 2016-2018 Pinnacle with an MP8 and keep a set of injector cups in the glove box. Also open to suggestions to other trucks so long as they have a full size sleeper and aren’t priced like a Peterbilt. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Vision is a good choice … good luck… bob 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-572624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Vision 👍 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-572625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 Which would you rather have to pull a flatbed with, a 2001 Vision 460 with Eaton 13 and 450k miles for $27,000, or 1998 CH613 gold dog with a 427 and 10 speed with 700k miles for $10,000? Assume both are in good operating condition. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-572725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 The 460/13spd. Would be my choice, even though i like a CH... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-572726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted Monday at 01:27 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 01:27 PM How is it getting parts for the old Macks? Does Mack still have support for the stuff made before their merger with Volvo? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 01:44 PM Share Posted Monday at 01:44 PM Thats a good question for 'TheHeinz'' he is on here, and is a current parts guy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heinz Posted Monday at 02:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:18 PM 47 minutes ago, Gump said: How is it getting parts for the old Macks? Does Mack still have support for the stuff made before their merger with Volvo? Even though Volvo owns Mack, Mack has a LOT more support for their older trucks than Volvo. Early 2000's Volvos are getting the axe already, don't ask me to get a power steering pump for one! I've been having a lot of success getting parts for these slightly older Mack's, and if the parts are unavailable, PAI usually has it. As much as I hate modern Mack, they are trying to keep the older ones alive it seems. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 03:06 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:06 PM Heinzy,,,,Dont let Mr. Bland hear you say that Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heinz Posted Monday at 08:48 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:48 PM Build date 3/1/2001. E7 460 ETECH LSR, did come with the 13spd Eaton factory, 3.70r Eaton S405P rears. I don't know any history other than that. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 08:55 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:55 PM A solid build. Million mile truck... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted Monday at 09:04 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 09:04 PM I don’t know what it’s worth. I see it was sold at a Ritchie auction back in March to the current dealer for $9500. Before that it looks like it spent life towing a race car operation from New York. They’re asking $27,000 which seems high for having no service history. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 09:06 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:06 PM I dont know what a good fair price would be Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted Monday at 09:22 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 09:22 PM Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 09:51 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:51 PM That sure is pretty. What is your gut saying ??? Have you driven it ? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted Monday at 09:52 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:52 PM that price doesnt seem too far off if its ready to work,,,bob 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 09:54 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:54 PM I have paid extra, because it was clean enough and solid. So im like you Bob. Just hope he drove it and climbed under and around it... The Vision is a sweet highway truck. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted Monday at 09:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:58 PM yes it is....it looks like its been treated real well,,,bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted Monday at 10:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:00 PM these days anything ready to go is very pricy no matter age Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted Monday at 10:01 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:01 PM even the steering wheel,peddles and brake valves show very little wear Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted Monday at 10:03 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:03 PM 8 hours ago, Joey Mack said: Thats a good question for 'TheHeinz'' he is on here, and is a current parts guy i plumb run out of likes a couple hours ago,,bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted Monday at 10:18 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 10:18 PM All looks nice, but who knows what the internals of the transmission and diffs looks like? I offered them $20k without seeing it yet, and I’d be happy with 24. I’m 1500 miles away so trying to find a third party to check it out. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark T Posted Monday at 10:18 PM Popular Post Share Posted Monday at 10:18 PM That truck is not the typical 2001. Looks to be in fantastic shape and was loaded up when it was built too. Never know, it might sell for way less if you try. Not many lending institutions are in a hurry to finance a 25 year old truck, and some carriers won't use equipment that old. In my opinion, based on the pictures, and having owned one around that vintage..... there's lots of life left in that truck. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Monday at 10:43 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:43 PM As far as driveline condition.. I expect the tranny to be an FRO15-or-16 210C, Eaton DS 404/405 rears.. from what I have seen in the shops, that setup is excellent. I will say that the transmission is one that I have done dozens of synchronizer replacements. It is an in-chassis repair, and a lot cheaper then a Mack synchro job... I can still do one in a day if i have the parts... The rears will start a small leak at the bottom of the seam between the gear set (pumpkin) and the housing. A little dampness is common. Re-torque the bolts and roll on... The air ride suspension is also good. I didnt ask you if you will be doing the maintenance? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted Monday at 11:11 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:11 PM That's a 13 speed Fuller in that '01. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75359-2001-vision/#findComment-573153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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