Not sure what happened

[mowerman]

After a few years of japs making everything we owned pretty quick it was China manufacturing everything we own …. Does anyone feel comfortable with either one producing anything thing we buy or does anyone feel comfortable with this ??????? My god does anyone realize they are enemies of us … thier both communist countries why are we still so I’ll even dealing with with them ????????

[mowerman]

Bottom line   Why are we dealing with communist pigs and how did this even get started 

[mowerman]

Made in America Thor shouldn’t even an issue what’s the problem??????????????

[Adkat]

Bob, it's the same over here.

Made in America, made in Australia, made in Slovakia, every country MUST have the means to support itself. Process and manufacture what is necessary to support its CITIZENS....

We have so many resources over here, as you do,  but produce bugger all now. Yet we are able to sell those same resources, ship them half way across the globe, then ship finished products back. And think that it is cost effective?

It's not the countries that have been outsourced to that are the problem, they're offered work and take it on. It's the globalist agenda that's racking in all the backdoor profits. All on the back of essentialy slave labour, and destroying all our economies at the same time.

[tjc transport]

i try to buy american, mexican, or canada. 

my laptop and desktop computers were made in mexico by lenovo. my cell phone was made in vietnam.

they probably contain chinese parts, buy most everything does these days.

[harrybarbon]

47 minutes ago, Adkat said:

Bob, it's the same over here.

Made in America, made in Australia, made in Slovakia, every country MUST have the means to support itself. Process and manufacture what is necessary to support its CITIZENS....

We have so many resources over here, as you do,  but produce bugger all now. Yet we are able to sell those same resources, ship them half way across the globe, then ship finished products back. And think that it is cost effective?

It's not the countries that have been outsourced to that are the problem, they're offered work and take it on. It's the globalist agenda that's racking in all the backdoor profits. All on the back of essentialy slave labour, and destroying all our economies at the same time.

What happened in Australia was done deliberately by elected representatives, who came from the workers' side of the fence, but they were serving their new o/s masters ... ! not our people. We had world class businesses and industries, gone for ever. And it happened across Europe. In Italy, long established solid well run businesses from around 2005 and thereafter, 1 factory/business closed shop every week, minimum of 100 plus workers out of work and now empty factories lie empty. There are many incomplete factories and warehouses, bare concrete floor slabs, part precast walls erected etc. There is no prospect to complete the buildings and put them to usage. There is no money to demolish the incomplete buildings. 

[mowerman]

Well that just sucks same here plants were moving out of here at a record speed now we’re stuck with sucking up to a communist nation… but I heard this morning the president has cut a sweetheart deal with that stingy clown over there let’s see what happens 

 

 

[Joseph Cummings]

Bruce rubs me the wrong way anymore, but this song has a lot of meaning, at least to me

 

BTW, the picture below is "Sweet Jenny"

[Bullheaded]

Sad truth is you can't manufacture anything in the US (or Canada for that matter) for as cheap as the Chinese can. Their wages are lower, and their manufacturers are subsidized by the government.

I just recently at my Polaris/CF Moto atv dealership. One of the owners is on some board with Polaris.  He said Polaris currently has a couple Chinese CF Moto atv's at their factory trying to break them and they can't. And they are getting very afraid because they said there is no way they can ever build anything with all the features and quality at CF's prices.

[mowerman]

Well that was thier big plan at the beginning… I remember when they were selling imported shit years ago here and the price was dropped considerably… but after a while everything started going up and almost to the point of USA prices… but I for 1 am willing to pay the US price 

[mowerman]

And Joseph was never a big fan of that guy back in the day but I did like the video 

[mowerman]

I was thinking a while back there’s probably some sort of middle man or a crooked team somewhere grabbing all the profits why Else would they be putting shit together for Penny‘s and by the time I get it it’s $1000.

[Vladislav]

Almost same matters overhere. 

Difficult to judge but my guess is 70% of market overall is made in China and 60% of what is marked Made in Russia actually is Chinese components.

But I'm afraid the reason is customers. When you see an item for $25 and a similar one for $4 we seldom pay for the 1st one. Sure that $4 thing might be found as crap. But might be Ok too. More and more Chinese goods are quite of good quality. Also high developied country like the US, Germany etc has high taxes which are aimed to support social expenses. So when I pay for a Made in Germany item I understand I pay partially for clean streets in German cities and good quality of medicine overthere. On the other hand it looks to me many high brand companies pretend on getting extremely high wedges for their stuff. I mean when say a certain part for Mercedes-Benz is estimated $250 by Daimler but you can buy THE SAME part from Bosch for $80. I agree MB may have higher responsibility for the product but I don't estimate it for 3 times. 15-20% seems reasonable and I would overpay that amount for 100% official product. But for 3 times higher cost I would try a fortune for cheaper option. 

Recent case. I wanted a set of A/T tyres for my 4x4. Used to like BF Goodrich in the past and would gladly buy a set. I used to see them offered in $120-150 apiese range in the past in my country. Currently the quote is about $650 for one 285/65R18. Not the way to go for me. And recently I found out a Chinise copy branded Comforcer was sold for $140. I read the net and people's comments were Ok. So I payed nearly $600 for a set of four tyres. Instead of paying the same cash for one piese! They ride fine so far.

This doesn't look Ok for a national economy. When you develop local production you 1st involve people in the activity, 2nd you keep your industry in hot condition, 3rd you are strategically independent. But we have what we have and I have no doubt our powers well know what they're doing and for which reasons.

 

[Mark T]

Most products used are at a point where their level of development has been the same for years. China just reverse engineeres these products and has hardly anything into R & D.  Then they have cheap labor. So it would seem like so many products have improved from China. Factor in market share.... yeah, Chinese stuff is cheaper.  Truth is , there's no way anyone could support a household on much less than $20.00 per hour for a forty hour week. That's barely surviving.  Gonna be very difficult to break this cycle.

[mowerman]

Why a lot of most of their tires are the same prices of Americans 400 bucks for China import you can’t tell me  that much to put it out there and certainly not putting the difference in their employees pockets

[mowerman]

That’s why I mentioned it’s probably lotsa hands in the middle somewhere … and I heard a long time ago the japs don’t wanna work for free either I know the reason nobody wants to use them

[mowerman]

Sometimes you gotta worry about length of service when your buying tires very cheap. They usually don’t last long. I recently got a very good deal on tires for my pick up, but I wasn’t worried about service length because it doesn’t go anywhere.

[Joseph Cummings]

 

Thirty years ago last Friday, 17th June 1992, I went to Seattle to attend a two-day seminar by W. Edwards Deming. At the time I was the VP of Engineering at Compass Design Automation, meaning I was in charge of all product development. I just looked on Wikipedia and Deming was born in 1900, but in October, so he was 91 years old when he presented that two-day seminar. He would pass on in December the following year at 93. In the coffee and lunch breaks at the seminar, he was gracious enough to sign copies of his books. That's my copy of Out of the Crisis in the photo below, signed by Deming on 18th June, the second day of the seminar.

Until very late in his life, he was ignored and largely unknown in his native country, the United States, but he was worshiped as a hero in Japan. Indeed, the annual Deming Prize was established in Japan in 1951, over 40 years before I was at that seminar. It is awarded both to individuals for contributions to Total Quality Management (TQM) and companies that successfully implement TQM. Deming basically invented TQM. The prize is not restricted to Japanese individuals and companies. It has been won by companies such as Florida Power & Light (the first non-Japanese winner of the prize), Lucent (the first American manufacturer to win), Tata Steel, and Pentel ("a first for the stationery industry")

MORE,,,,,,,,,,,

https://community.cadence.com/cadence_blogs_8/b/breakfast-bytes/posts/deming

[Joseph Cummings]

[Joseph Cummings]

I'm sure the globalists were plotting and scheming for at least a decade before this happened

 

[Vladislav]

12 hours ago, mowerman said:

That’s why I mentioned it’s probably lotsa hands in the middle somewhere … and I heard a long time ago the japs don’t wanna work for free either I know the reason nobody wants to use them

Yup, those middle hands definitely are making big difference. And not a trouble to figure out who puts control on that section of money travel.

[mowerman]

well all this plan about american made i was just thinking,wait a minute,,,where are we ever going to find decent worker bees or leadership as discussed earlier strong leadership and employees are becoming mighty hard to find these days and yes thats a whole other story   ,,bob

[Vladislav]

23 minutes ago, mowerman said:

well all this plan about american made i was just thinking,wait a minute,,,where are we ever going to find decent worker bees or leadership as discussed earlier strong leadership and employees are becoming mighty hard to find these days and yes thats a whole other story   ,,bob

So what is the reason a trouble occures finding working people? The answer is people are doing well enough having incoms they have consuming cheap Chinese goods. You can't force a man to stand a whole day near a lathe if he can spend the same time in a office chear. And if you try making lathe job attractive and offer 3 times higher wedges than for office job you would get a product 3 times more expensive than a made in China item. The solution is production of everything at home but 3 times more expensive than in the South East. This way you would just consume 3 times less of goods for your labour. Nobody wants such situation actually. And it wouldn't be achieved when the things are as they are now. To get to that you need to stop the draft of Eastern goods into the country. And that can be done by putting high border taxes. 

Looking the recent events that's exactly what I was typed above. So your distant future (I sure doubt it will come in that shape) would be less goods for more labour.

As I mentioned the approach here in Russia is similar. And you always hear plenty of talks why we don't produce locally and why there are so many Middle Asia workers employed. But those who talk don't realize they would have to pay higher costs for proper economy. On the other hand on my mind the proper economy is the way to go. And you may consume less and still do well just being efficient and not stupid. 

[Joseph Cummings]

22 minutes ago, Vladislav said:

You can't force a man to stand a whole day near a lathe if he can spend the same time in a office chear. And if you try making lathe job attractive and offer 3 times higher wedges

Don't give them the cushy office jobs. Most of them are not needed and actually counterproductive. I've had to work with a lot of them and although they have college degrees they are lucky if they can read on an 8th grade level. Absolutely  no advanced math skills, no geometry, no trig, unable to solve word problems. And as far as technical knowledge goes, they are absolutely clueless.

But we have offices and management positions packed full of them. All the resources spent educating them was a waste. They were never college material. You can't polish a turd.

Cut off the cushy office jobs, and make them do real productive work. If they don't like it they can go live in mud huts eating worms and bugs

Edited 5 hours ago by Joseph Cummings

[Joseph Cummings]

And all those third world turds with degrees got them from places like Axact. None of the HR C^nts check up on that kind of stuff. They are all too lazy or afraid they might offend some non-white