Not sure what happened

[Mark T]

30 minutes ago, Vladislav said:

So what is the reason a trouble occures finding working people? The answer is people are doing well enough having incoms they have consuming cheap Chinese goods. You can't force a man to stand a whole day near a lathe if he can spend the same time in a office chear. And if you try making lathe job attractive and offer 3 times higher wedges than for office job you would get a product 3 times more expensive than a made in China item. The solution is production of everything at home but 3 times more expensive than in the South East. This way you would just consume 3 times less of goods for your labour. Nobody wants such situation actually. And it wouldn't be achieved when the things are as they are now. To get to that you need to stop the draft of Eastern goods into the country. And that can be done by putting high border taxes. 

Looking the recent events that's exactly what I was typed above. So your distant future (I sure doubt it will come in that shape) would be less goods for more labour.

As I mentioned the approach here in Russia is similar. And you always hear plenty of talks why we don't produce locally and why there are so many Middle Asia workers employed. But those who talk don't realize they would have to pay higher costs for proper economy. On the other hand on my mind the proper economy is the way to go. And you may consume less and still do well just being efficient and not stupid. 

Wages are unrealistic. As an employer, even if you want to pay an employee a fair wage for the task they're hired for it doesn't end there. The rediculous amount it costs to insure that employee between workman's comp and some form of health insurance (lol) adds easily a third more on top of the wage. Usually all this added cost makes an employee a really lousy investment as it's virtually impossible for many to pay a fair wage and get enough production to pay added costs there's no return for.  Unless you're  a huge company making a fortune, you can't afford it. Then there's the matching withholding, that's not too crazy. It also adds to costs though. Then paid time off, HR costs the list goes on and on and on. This isn't going away any time soon.

[Joey Mack]

I think a lot of those issues with employing people is caused by govt. people who dont live at the regular worker level, and create depts. that cause problems, rather then solve them..  

But if your employing illegals,  no sweat, and you are a conservative who wants to improve the system, your a racist... The winners are not allowed to win... 

[mowerman]

lol joseph,,,,,,your begining to get louder than tjc keep it coming,,,,after telling you about my wifes situation,,,,,,i expect this is probably what investers considering starting up here,,,are already discussing.... and mark your absolutely correct about wages here,,,,75 bucks an hour is bare  minimum to keep good help here,,but that includes all the bells and whistles you brought up    bob

[Mark T]

14 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

I think a lot of those issues with employing people is caused by govt. people who dont live at the regular worker level, and create depts. that cause problems, rather then solve them..  

But if your employing illegals,  no sweat, and you are a conservative who wants to improve the system, your a racist... The winners are not allowed to win... 

You're correct. Employees turn out to be your biggest expence that you have the least control over.  All this translates into higher costs.  Let's face it, most of us here know trucks more than anything. Just seems like if all these agencies and government genius'  could find some more realistic approaches to other things than a bigger DOC or .0000002% less wind drag maybe in the trucking industry that could translate into higher wages to employees and attract better employees in turn making things a  little better as opposed to worse in reality.  This nonsense goes on in everything.....then they wonder why it's cheaper to import where countries don't have all that going on. 

[mowerman]

And with  that said I’m starting to think wait a minute … are we  back to square one, but we do have a company. I don’t know if they’re a worldwide right here in Reno U  line they seem to be growing like mad around here. And offering 25 bucks an hour to start, which is not bad money for beginning wage although a little rough to try to make it work it’s so expensive to live here now like a lot of other towns it’s not really a breadwinners wage. But if you’re up and coming, it’s enough money to keep you going leading up to bigger and better things. Perhaps a shot at management are moving up there do something more than workmen wages

[Vladislav]

22 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

Don't give them the cushy office jobs. Most of them are not needed and actually counterproductive.

Cut off the cushy office jobs, and make them do real productive work. If they don't like it they can go live in mud huts eating worms and bugs

This sounds strange to me since the economy is of supply and demand kind. So if so many folks are employed in offices someones need them. Or that. Could be a matter of burocracy sure. Here we have that but Russia's economy is mostly govnt controlled.

[Vladislav]

22 hours ago, Mark T said:

Wages are unrealistic. As an employer, even if you want to pay an employee a fair wage for the task they're hired for it doesn't end there. The rediculous amount it costs to insure that employee between workman's comp and some form of health insurance (lol) adds easily a third more on top of the wage. Usually all this added cost makes an employee a really lousy investment as it's virtually impossible for many to pay a fair wage and get enough production to pay added costs there's no return for.  Unless you're  a huge company making a fortune, you can't afford it. Then there's the matching withholding, that's not too crazy. It also adds to costs though. Then paid time off, HR costs the list goes on and on and on. This isn't going away any time soon.

What you say is a matter of taxes. To level up those who live poorer. They're poor by different reasons, some were born in poor family having no money for education, some are illy and some are just lazy. Seems the approach is a two sided coin. At one we should be merciful since those folks are humans. And at the other we who can make good (or normal) living for ourselves may share some worth with those others for being calm and easy to not get in our line with hungry protests or crime.

But that's a side note. The main stream is the cost of local production is ballasted with taxes over the edge.

Ok, strange situation. Your government wants high taxes from you to produce something or to not produce much instead. But they can import cheap goods from China to supply you and everybody around with. But where get they money from?

Here it's clear. The country explore natural resources and sells them. The government do that. Or controlls, no much difference. Then they buy all kinds of goods from all over the world and sell them in the country. I suppose the goods turn out 3 times cheaper than if a man would make it by his labour. I mean in a natural form. Say you'd need to work 12 months at a plant as a worker to afford a car but now your wages allow you to buy a car in 4 months (literally).

But here the reason is known. Those who control the export money flow can cut off a good dozen for their private needs. And the rest goes to the nation to be calm and qute to not disturb the big boys. So the cut off is as larger as the main stream is. This way you don't need some locals tinkering in their sand boxes with potential risk of anyone to grow up high enough to ask "Who you are for doing that there?" Just easy sell-buy with stable margin.

But that's a country with export-based economy. And what is the source for supply in the US? Growing national debt?

[Mark T]

19 minutes ago, Vladislav said:

What you say is a matter of taxes. To level up those who live poorer. They're poor by different reasons, some were born in poor family having no money for education, some are illy and some are just lazy. Seems the approach is a two sided coin. At one we should be merciful since those folks are humans. And at the other we who can make good (or normal) living for ourselves may share some worth with those others for being calm and easy to not get in our line with hungry protests or crime.

But that's a side note. The main stream is the cost of local production is ballasted with taxes over the edge.

Ok, strange situation. Your government wants high taxes from you to produce something or to not produce much instead. But they can import cheap goods from China to supply you and everybody around with. But where get they money from?

Here it's clear. The country explore natural resources and sells them. The government do that. Or controlls, no much difference. Then they buy all kinds of goods from all over the world and sell them in the country. I suppose the goods turn out 3 times cheaper than if a man would make it by his labour. I mean in a natural form. Say you'd need to work 12 months at a plant as a worker to afford a car but now your wages allow you to buy a car in 4 months (literally).

But here the reason is known. Those who control the export money flow can cut off a good dozen for their private needs. And the rest goes to the nation to be calm and qute to not disturb the big boys. So the cut off is as larger as the main stream is. This way you don't need some locals tinkering in their sand boxes with potential risk of anyone to grow up high enough to ask "Who you are for doing that there?" Just easy sell-buy with stable margin.

But that's a country with export-based economy. And what is the source for supply in the US? Growing national debt?

(lol)  Yes, we're very good at growing national debt, and selling education for Lord knows what.... lawyers to sue for whatever they can get their hooks into.  Doctors who can prescribe a pill for anything. This has been going on for decades. Now ?  You have to be huge or almost nothing. That in between is a non stop rat race. The government was never supposed to be such a big employer. IDK  maybe it's just me who doesn't see the big picture.  Certainly seems like in my lifetime though there were more rewards for working hard .