Show Dog Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 I am currently putting a new super 10 eaton trans in my old dog. Has anyone ever driven a super 10? What do you think about that trans? I was told you either love it or you hate it. Im just curious as to what yall think. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 thats the trans that you have 5 gear positons and have to split each one? Drove one with a detroit and hated it as that detroit was gutless if the revs were not high. had to use all the gears.We have a mack with a 12 speed at the yard and its very simmilar to the 10 speed (split each gear). luckly you can skip gears and the maxidyne can handel the "skips"Trent Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Dog Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Yea, im used to the mack airshift 6 speed. But i needed gears inbetween and an overdrive. It was almost impossible trying to find a 12 speed mack trans. Everyone wanted a mint for it. I got a brand new super 10 for 400 from the mack dealer with the mack bellhousing already installed. So we'll see how this goes. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 I'd prefer the Mack 12 speed too- the splits on the Eaton "Super 10" are too wide too skipshift so you end up splitting every gear. The 12 speed splitter box with a Maxidyne is a great combination- you can skipshift with just the main box in traffic, then use the splitter to keep the engine in it's sweet spot out on the highway as well as keep it wound up for engine braking on the downhills. Back in the 70s I drove a Freightliner with the Spicer 10 speed (5 speed with splitter)- it was a sweet combination- the 55% split in the main box kept the 290 horse 8V-71 in the 1300-2100 RPM powerband so you could start in 2nd low, then proced through 3L, 4L. 5L, then split to 5 high. "Twas almost as good as a Maxidyne... I spent 14 years dreaming of Macks while driving those Freightshakers before I started working for a fleet with Macks! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick harper Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 dont tear those 12speeds up. parts are harder to come by and if you find the part the cost is getting ridiculous. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Dog Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Rick is right. The Mack dealer where i live was working on a MH in with a 12 speed. The shop foreman told me they had a hell of a time getting parts for it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 $400 for a new Eaton 'box is a bargain thought- I grind a few more gears for that kind of savings! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaddeusW Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Rick is right. The Mack dealer where i live was working on a MH in with a 12 speed. The shop foreman told me they had a hell of a time getting parts for it.Wasnt there an eaton/fuller lightning 10 that automatically split the gears and you just shifted it as a 5 speeed? I think it was supposed to be a fleet transmission for local work. It must have failed as I dont see it on the roadranger website (never herd of problems just people knocking it). Quote -Thad What America needs is less bull and more Bulldog! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b61mack Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Is the older airshift 10 speed Mack very good ,are the parts geting hard to find, and what price range are they going for . Ron Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 If you'r talking about the T2010, they're like the T2090. Low isn't as low and high isn't as high. They were designed as a highway only trans. The T2090 is an on/off road box and that's why they are more popular. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadusercharges Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 plenty of 12 speeds in this country.nig Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 just wondering about the mack 12 speed.. The one I drove had a air switch on the dash for the "low low" gear. the stick had the air shifter for what I think it said "direct and OD"was that how all the mack 12 speeds were??I did like that trans.. I would shift it 1-2-3-4- 4hi-5 direct- 5hiI always thought splitting the 1-3 gears was useless for most road conditions. the eaton 10 speed sounds like it would work just as good behind a Maxidyne. Wish I had a OD trans when going to the far away truck shows. I like the lower rpms on the big roads Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Dog Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 plenty of 12 speeds in this country.nig Yea you're right. I found a place in pennsylvania that had 5 of them sitting on the floor. By the time I had a chance to get up there, i called the guy and he said that some guy from Austrailia bought all he had. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Maikshilo Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 just wondering about the mack 12 speed.. The one I drove had a air switch on the dash for the "low low" gear. the stick had the air shifter for what I think it said "direct and OD"was that how all the mack 12 speeds were??I did like that trans.. I would shift it 1-2-3-4- 4hi-5 direct- 5hiI always thought splitting the 1-3 gears was useless for most road conditions. the eaton 10 speed sounds like it would work just as good behind a Maxidyne. Wish I had a OD trans when going to the far away truck shows. I like the lower rpms on the big roadsI've always loved the 12 speed, I'd split every gear pulling a 50 ton low boy and it worked great. On the nob you have rev. neutral direct and hi. 5 rev. gears were great too. My superliner has a 15 which to me is a just a 10. I'd rather have a 12 speed maxitorque any day, Tim Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I tried out a new set forward axle CH in '96 that had a Stuper 10,I hated it.Only good 10 speed Fuller ever made was the RT1110 they used to put behind 300+'s.I always thought the Super 10 was best left for the Schneider trucks.The 12 speed is a great tranny,but I liked the older 2 stick version better than the newer flip valve on the dash.Personally,I think the T2130/2180 were the best Mack transmissions since the Triplex and Quadraplex.I've never had a chance to drive anything with the new family of Mack tranny yet. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackcl96 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 all i can say for the 12spds there are good ones and bad ones had 3 of them all had different shifting problemsyou will need a very strong tranny jack (very heavy trans) and a trap door in the floor for quick repairs of shifter fork rails and air linesthey were good trannys because mack had nothing else for high horse power off road abuse(superdog) the mack 13spd and 18spd trans are the same unit but the shifter nob is the only thing that is different (the T2130 can be made into a T2180 with the price of the shifter)don't want to make anybody upset but the T2180 started as a T2090 witch still does not have a good low low (13.91) but the .71 is not to bad Quote Thanks for hearing me out.You can have the soap box now---------JIM Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Costley Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I am currently putting a new super 10 eaton trans in my old dog. Has anyone ever driven a super 10? What do you think about that trans? I was told you either love it or you hate it. Im just curious as to what yall think.They arent bad for over the road but not great for heavy hauling.When you wind the engine to the top with a heavy load you have to clutch to unload the torque or it wont make the split.Kind of defeats the purpose.If I have an air shift trans,I want to just lift my right foot and have it split.Good tranny for over the road outfit with a lot of driving school drivers.Just my two cents.John. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 all i can say for the 12spds there are good ones and bad ones had 3 of them all had different shifting problemsyou will need a very strong tranny jack (very heavy trans) and a trap door in the floor for quick repairs of shifter fork rails and air linesthey were good trannys because mack had nothing else for high horse power off road abuse(superdog) the mack 13spd and 18spd trans are the same unit but the shifter nob is the only thing that is different (the T2130 can be made into a T2180 with the price of the shifter)don't want to make anybody upset but the T2180 started as a T2090 witch still does not have a good low low (13.91) but the .71 is not to badI have had awful good luck with my two stick 12 spd. Put it my DM dump about 8 years ago, the only thing that has been touched is put new o rings in the back box shift cylinders. And it was a used take out box. Would not trade it for anything else. Terry Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackcl96 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 terry, I also (me driving) had good luck with the 2 stick 12, 84 rd but the drivers made me hate themOne thing I hate is if you lost your air supply you cant get it home (stuck with no gears)The spliter was a little slow for racing (ha ha) oh yea one too many beers last nite (remember not to post and drink) Quote Thanks for hearing me out.You can have the soap box now---------JIM Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Doctor Jr. Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 The super 10 is an ok Trans i think , i never tore one oup and i tried believe me. the only thing i had wrong with it was in cold mornings the splitter was a little slow, other than that an excelent drag race tranny. It worked great with the jake brake for down shifting. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/779-superdogs-new-super-10/#findComment-3890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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