Joe Vs. Jose

[Double L]

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically

productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter.

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have

2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in

construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour

with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction,

has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour

"under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year ..

Now take 30% away for state & federal tax..

Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per

year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes...

Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage

$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state

and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year.

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps

or welfare - Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00

per year - Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income, so he is eligible for Food

Stamps and Welfare - Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent $1,000.00 per month - $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769..00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy ..

Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month (section 8 housing)

$6,000.00 per year - Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job

after work or his wife must work. Jose Illegal has nights and

weekends off to enjoy with his family (and eat out!).

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches

Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored breakfast & lunch,

and they also qualify to be bused to school at tax payer expense.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe Legal's children have to find a way to get to school and go home

after school as, "latch-key kids" with no adult supervision.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,

but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Jose Illegal can send most of his money back home to Mexico to build a

new home for retirement, and have money to buy a new truck

(and still have Medi-Cal benefits while living in a foreign country;

until someone turns him in to authorities....if they ever find out)

Joe Legal is still in the hole.

Any questions?

[vanscottbuilders]

Remember this the next time you vote -

IF YOU KEEP VOTING FOR THE SAME PEOPLE -

YOU WILL KEEP GETTING THE SAME RESULTS.

Isn't that an awful lot like the definition of insanity??

Paul Van Scott

[mopar]

This is way to sad and true.

at some one is speaking out on the issuses here!

[GearheadGrrrl]

LL, most of your posts seem to be about politics. This is a forum about trucks, and Mack trucks in particular. If you want to become a truck driver you'll accomplish more by learning to be the best driver you can be instead of calling people you don't like names.

[Lmackattack]

were in odds in ends. this is the section to rant, rave, laugh, and cry... here is my out look that was posted on a diffrent message board

put a bird feeded out in the yard and watch all the birds come eat for free, you feel good that you helped them out.

a few weeks later the words out around "the Hood" and they all come and fight for the free food.

next thing you know dead birds are around and they start to shit everwhere..

so you take the bird feeder away and they dont come around. alls well again..

too simple for the goverment to understand...

[mopar]

understandable

I have heard with this economy the illlegals are now returning to their home land due to the lack of jobs and opertunities.

we might have the next not so graet depression.

were in odds in ends. this is the section to rant, rave, laugh, and cry... here is my out look that was posted on a diffrent message board

put a bird feeded out in the yard and watch all the birds come eat for free, you feel good that you helped them out.

a few weeks later the words out around "the Hood" and they all come and fight for the free food.

next thing you know dead birds are around and they start to shit everwhere..

so you take the bird feeder away and they dont come around. alls well again..

too simple for the goverment to understand...

[Double L]

LL, most of your posts seem to be about politics. This is a forum about trucks, and Mack trucks in particular. If you want to become a truck driver you'll accomplish more by learning to be the best driver you can be instead of calling people you don't like names.

I copied and pasted this from another trucking site I belong to, I didn't type that up at all!

[GearheadGrrrl]

I copied and pasted this from another trucking site I belong to, I didn't type that up at all!

LL, copying the brain farts from the good ol' boys on some other site won't get you ahead in trucking or any field for that matter. Calling people "illegals" doesn't cut it either- crossing the U.S. border without stopping at Customs is a misdemeanor under federal law, essentially the equivilent of a parking ticket. So if you've ever had a parking or equipment or speeding ticket (and haven't we all), if you're going to call someone who informally crossed the border an "illegal" we're all "illegal"s.

[mopar]

amen to that

LL, copying the brain farts from the good ol' boys on some other site won't get you ahead in trucking or any field for that matter. Calling people "illegals" doesn't cut it either- crossing the U.S. border without stopping at Customs is a misdemeanor under federal law, essentially the equivilent of a parking ticket. So if you've ever had a parking or equipment or speeding ticket (and haven't we all), if you're going to call someone who informally crossed the border an "illegal" we're all "illegal"s.

[KO1927]

LL, copying the brain farts from the good ol' boys on some other site won't get you ahead in trucking or any field for that matter. Calling people "illegals" doesn't cut it either- crossing the U.S. border without stopping at Customs is a misdemeanor under federal law, essentially the equivilent of a parking ticket. So if you've ever had a parking or equipment or speeding ticket (and haven't we all), if you're going to call someone who informally crossed the border an "illegal" we're all "illegal"s.

However, parking tickets won't get you removed from the country.... and misdemeanors are more serious than a parking ticket. The ticket is a violation, misdemeanors are above violations and below felonies.

examples of misdemeanors may include: petty theft, prostitution, public intoxication, simple assault, disorderly conduct, trespass, vandalism, drug possession, DUI and other similar crimes. In the United States, misdemeanors are crimes with a maximum punishment of 12 months of incarceration, typically in a local jail (again, as contrasted with felons, who are typically incarcerated in a prison).

[GearheadGrrrl]

ICE deports most undocumented immigrants because it's not worth prosecuting them- they'd tie up the courts and jails and end up getting sentenced to "time served" anyway. Parking tickets are indeed usually a petty misdemeanor, although a few creative cities have redefined them as civil fines so they don't have to share the fine with the court and/or state. Many of the offenses you cite can be misdemeanors or felonies depending on the amount possessed, stolen, etc.

Of particular interest to truckers is an obscure federal law that makes lieing on a federal form a felony punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment per offense. Our logbooks are federal forms... US DOT just threw the book at a trucker who lied on his logs, fell asleep at the wheel, and caused a crash that took several lives. He was convicted on several counts and will be spending some time at "Club Fed".