daveigou Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Somebody has an R600 on ebay with what looks to be maybe a C-12 Cat in it. I don't know why anybody would ruin a perfectly good truck by sticking a bull-dozer motor under a bull dog?What's this world comming to? Quote See my Flickr photostream page http://www.flickr.com/photos/96692978@N05/ Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Somebody has an R600 on ebay with what looks to be maybe a C-12 Cat in it. I don't know why anybody would ruin a perfectly good truck by sticking a bull-dozer motor under a bull dog?What's this world comming to?it could have been worseAt least it is not a 350 chevy or any other gaser but still they have messed up that truck Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM6285 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF MACK R700 SUPERLINERS WITH CATERPILLAR ENGINES (MECHANICAL 3406) AND A BIG V8 3408 STUFFFED UNDER THE HOOD OF ANOTHER MACK (F700)THE WORST ONE ? A RARE BIG R MODEL WITH THAT HORRENDOUS AND NOISY DETROIT DIESEL 8V92THIS PUPPIES LOST THEIR PURE BREED Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Trucking Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Somebody has an R600 on ebay with what looks to be maybe a C-12 Cat in it. I don't know why anybody would ruin a perfectly good truck by sticking a bull-dozer motor under a bull dog?What's this world comming to?Yup, looks like a C12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I get up close & personal with those on a daily basis. Quote "If You Can't Shift It Smoothly, You Shouldn't Be Driving It" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 45LMSWM Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 (edited) Dave,Back in the mid 1990s, Leahman Tank Lines repowered a large fleet of their R-models tractors with 3176B truck engines, the predecessor to the C12. We used to get them in all the time at the dealer where I work. I believe Cat dealers did the engine swaps, as well.I also spent several years as a driver's helper in a 1975 Mack DM800 that had been repowered with a 3406A 400. That truck was a monster.John Edited July 4, 2009 by 45LMSWM Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYSLILGURL Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 it could have been worseAt least it is not a 350 chevy or any other gaser but still they have messed up that truck WHOA THERE BUDDY WATCH THEM 350S!!!! LOL Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
itlldo1 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 PROVAN Transport here in NY state back in the 70's had a large fleet of R600's with DD318's and 10 speeds in them. I think they were cut back to 270 or something. Real screamers.. Mike Quote Is it just me or did those buffalo wings taste like chicken? Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveigou Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) Dave,Back in the mid 1990s, Leahman Tank Lines repowered a large fleet of their R-models tractors with 3176B truck engines, the predecessor to the C12. We used to get them in all the time at the dealer where I work. I believe Cat dealers did the engine swaps, as well.I also spent several years as a driver's helper in a 1975 Mack DM800 that had been repowered with a 3406A 400. That truck was a monster.JohnI should probably qualify my remarks here. Mack power is by far the preference of most Mack users, but historically Mack often times came up "short" in the horsepower offerings department. Before the availability of the E9's in certain models, like the DM800's, if a customer wanted to "break" the 300 - 350 hosepower barrier, vendor engines were the only choice. Even when E9's did become available, people still had a bad taste in their mouths from the earlier failings of the 865 /866 engines, and they were pricey, and that also opened the door to other altenatives. In the most recent engine options in the CL's, Mack offered 3406 Cats, and S60 Detroits, but they were built in limited numbers. I don't remember if there were any Cummins offerings in the CL before the demise of the E9's, which were replaced by the ISX & Signature Cummins.Mack trucks over the years was lucky enough to experience the highest brand loyalty of any truck manufacturer, despite some of their engine problems. Who knows how much longer they can say that. Every time an engine family reached maturity, the Feds raised the bar, and everyone started over again.I'm a Mack guy. Unfortunately, I think we've seen the glory days of Mack Trucks, I hope I'm wrong. I would love to be wrong. That's my story, and I'm stickin to it!!Dave Edited July 7, 2009 by daveigou Quote See my Flickr photostream page http://www.flickr.com/photos/96692978@N05/ Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaddeusW Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The worst I seen was a single axle MH flight kit with a 6-71, Allison and rear out of a fire truck. I cant imagine a gutless 6-71 and an old Allison in an 80's tractor. Was used to haul a horse trailer. The C-12 in an R600 to me is not that bad of a thing. Quote -Thad What America needs is less bull and more Bulldog! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Ain't nothin wrong with a Cat in a Mack; But only if Mack built it that way.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 One of the fleets with trucks leased to the carrier I'm with has a lot of Mack trucks...one in particular has a kitty cat under the hood. The motor that was in the truck was plum wore out, and they had the Cat sitting around in the shop ready to go...so they swapped it in. Minimized the downtime, and a Cat under the hood is better than tryin' ta run down the road fully loaded with anyone else's wore out motor. Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I like the macks for the off road but not everone is a mack fan. I agree that one of the down sides of the older macks was that they did not offer off breed "standard power" as a more common alternative options. I think that a good running 300 mack is just fine for the city but pull hills all day and that 500 cat looks alot better. the only down side I see with off breed power is that they all had higher operation costs and they were not as easy to work on as the old ENDT675-676 /E6 etc... I have only driven one mack that had an off breed motor and I like it. It was a 350 big cam cummins. it would run away from all the 300 macks in the hills but could not out pull from them stop lights with all the shifting going on. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 One of the advantages Mack had with the Mack Westerns was the ability to offer "vendor" powertrain components to customers who liked Mack but wanted someone else's engine/tranny/axles. For example, some of Continental Baking's fleet managers preferred Macks, while some of their fleet managers preferred Detroit Diesel power. They also had mechanics that were familiar with Detroits and had built up a parts stock for them. By offering Continental Baking a Detroit engine in a Mack FS cabover Mack was able to make a sale of 200 trucks that otherwise wouldn't have happened. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducky698 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 One of the advantages Mack had with the Mack Westerns was the ability to offer "vendor" powertrain components to customers who liked Mack but wanted someone else's engine/tranny/axles. For example, some of Continental Baking's fleet managers preferred Macks, while some of their fleet managers preferred Detroit Diesel power. They also had mechanics that were familiar with Detroits and had built up a parts stock for them. By offering Continental Baking a Detroit engine in a Mack FS cabover Mack was able to make a sale of 200 trucks that otherwise wouldn't have happened.nothing wrong with a putty cat, most the prime movers down here in Western Australia run them, they pull well and pretty reliable.there is an R700 for sale in kalgoorlie for 15000 with an 8v92 in it. that could be interesting.Grant Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 nothing wrong with a putty cat, most the prime movers down here in Western Australia run them, they pull well and pretty reliable.there is an R700 for sale in kalgoorlie for 15000 with an 8v92 in it. that could be interesting.GrantGrant, send me your email addrss. I'm out of posting room on the board and want to send some photos your way.Thanks,Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducky698 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Grant, send me your email addrss. I'm out of posting room on the board and want to send some photos your way.Thanks,RobHi Rob, its gdhodgson@yahoo.com.auwill be there in 3 weeks. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 WHOA THERE BUDDY WATCH THEM 350S!!!! LOLI am sorry about the 350 coment Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I am sorry about the 350 comentShe's just razzin on ya. Don't take it to heart.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollweevil Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 She's just razzin on ya. Don't take it to heart.Rob Better take it to heart, she can break down a 10.00x20 with the tools in her pocketbook. A sure enough truck driving girl, with her own truck. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollweevil Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Every coin has two sides. By re-powering with a known good engine, that was available, they probably saved a decent R model from oblivion. It might have gone to the scrap heap, or the shredder. These days you are not going to have an engine of any manufacture overhauled, for much less than $8,000. Usually a lot more. It is still a Mack, somebody can still use it for a while. It is not ruined, an R model is so tough that only rust or a major catastrophe can defeat one. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 thank you for the razzin' and I am taking to hearttree fifty (350) is a decent gas engine and that is coming from a Dodge boy 2nd to MacksBrand don't matter as long as it American built (or at least American plants)with American jobs.but any ways back to the trucks and issusesI don't want to upset any who can brake down a 10.00 x 20 with tools in their pocket book Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Trucking Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 At least it's a Cat motor and not a V*lv* P.O.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote "If You Can't Shift It Smoothly, You Shouldn't Be Driving It" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoClueJoe66 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Every coin has two sides. By re-powering with a known good engine, that was available, they probably saved a decent R model from oblivion. It might have gone to the scrap heap, or the shredder. These days you are not going to have an engine of any manufacture overhauled, for much less than $8,000. Usually a lot more. It is still a Mack, somebody can still use it for a while. It is not ruined, an R model is so tough that only rust or a major catastrophe can defeat one.James has been through this & has a damn fine truck out of it. I think a Mack is the best of both worlds so to speak. With a 350 cummins, cat, detroit, or just straight mack power. That Bulldog is still on the hood. Just my .02 cents Quote This message was brought to you by Hargraves Potted Meat Product. Chopped full of "Peckers & Lips" since 1933 - John Boy & Billy Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Better take it to heart, she can break down a 10.00x20 with the tools in her pocketbook. A sure enough truck driving girl, with her own truck....with more speeds than a mountain bike! Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I like the macks for the off road but not everone is a mack fan. I agree that one of the down sides of the older macks was that they did not offer off breed "standard power" as a more common alternative options. I think that a good running 300 mack is just fine for the city but pull hills all day and that 500 cat looks alot better. the only down side I see with off breed power is that they all had higher operation costs and they were not as easy to work on as the old ENDT675-676 /E6 etc... I have only driven one mack that had an off breed motor and I like it. It was a 350 big cam cummins. it would run away from all the 300 macks in the hills but could not out pull from them stop lights with all the shifting going on.that's like the F-models I drove, one a 300 five speed, the other a 350 Cummins with a 10 speed Roadranger. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/9951-why-ruin-a-perfectly-good-truck/#findComment-37979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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